“Job hopping” is often fast learning and shouldn’t be stigmatized

One of the traits of the business world that I’d love to see die, even if it were to take people with it, is the stigma against “job hopping”. I don’t see how people can not see that this is oppression, plain and simple. The stigma exists to deny employees of the one bit of leverage they have, which is to leave a job and get a better one.

The argument made in favor of the stigma is that (a) companies put a lot of effort into training people, and (b) very few employees earn back their salary in the first year. Let me address both of these. For the first, about the huge amount of effort put into training new hires, that’s not true. It may have been the case in 1987, but not anymore. There might be an orientation lasting a week or two, or an assigned mentor who sometimes does a great job and is sometimes absentee, but the idea that companies still invest significant resources into new hires as a general policy is outdated. They don’t. Sink or swim is “the new normal”. The companies that are exceptions to this will sometimes lose a good person, but they don’t have the systemic retention problems that leave them wringing their hands about “job hoppers”. For the second, this is true in some cases and not in others, but I would generally blame this (at least in technology) on the employer. If someone who is basically competent and diligent spends 6 months at a company and doesn’t contribute something– perhaps a time-saving script, a new system, or a design insight– that is worth that person’s total employment costs (salary, plus taxes, plus overhead) then there is something wrong with the corporate environment. Perhaps he’s been loaded up with fourth quadrant work of minimal importance. People should be able to start making useful contributions right away, and if they can’t, then the company needs to improve the feedback cycle. That will make everyone happier.

The claimed corporate perspective of “job hoppers” is that they’re a money leak, because they cost more than they are worth in the early years. However, that’s not true. I’d call it an out-and-out lie. Plenty of companies can pay young programmers market salaries and turn a profit. In fact, companies doing low-end work (which may still be profitable) often fire older programmers to replace them with young ones. What this means is that the fiction of new hires being worth less than a market salary holds no water. Actually, employing decent programmers (young or old, novice or expert) at market compensation is an enormous position of profit. (I’d call it an “arbitrage”, but having done real arbitrage I prefer to avoid this colloquialism.)

The first reason why companies don’t like “job hoppers” is not that new hires are incapable of doing useful work, but that companies intentionally prevent new people from doing useful work. The “dues paying” period is evaluative. The people who fare poorly or make their dislike of the low-end work obvious are the failures who are either fired or, more likely, given the indication that they won’t graduate to better things, which compels them to leave– but on the company’s terms. The dues-paying period leaks at the top. In actuality, it always did. It just leaks in a different way now. In the past, the smartest people would become impatient and bored with the low-yield, evaluative nonsense, just as they do now, but be less able to change companies. They’d lose motivation, and start to underperform, leaving the employer feeling comfortable with the loss. (“Not a team player; we didn’t want him anyway.”) In the “job hopping” era, they leave before they have the motivational crash and there is something to be missed.

The second problem that companies have with “job hoppers” is that they keep the market fluid and, additionally, transmit information. Job hoppers are the ones who tell their friends at the old company that a new startup is paying 30% better salaries and runs open allocation. They not only grab external promotions for themselves when they “hop”, but they learn and disseminate industry information that transfers power to engineers.

I’ve recently learned first-hand about the fear that companies have of talent leaks. For a few months last winter, I worked at a startup with crappy management, but excellent engineers, and I left when I was asked to commit perjury against some of my colleagues. (No, this wasn’t Google. First, Google is not a startup. Second, Google is a great company with outdated and ineffective HR but well-intended upper management. This, on the other hand, was a company with evil management.) There’s a lot of rumor surrounding what happened and, honestly, the story was so bizarre that even I am not sure what really went on. I won the good faith of the engineers by exposing unethical management practices, and became somewhat of a folk hero. I introduced a number of their best engineers to recruiters and helped them get out of that awful place. Then I moved on, or so I thought. Toward the end of 2012, I discovered that their Head of Marketing was working to destroy my reputation (I don’t know if he succeeded, but I’ve seen the attempts) inside that company by generating a bunch of spammy Internet activity, and attempting to make it look like it was me doing it. He wanted to make damn sure I couldn’t continue the talent bleed, even though my only interaction was to introduce a few people (who already wanted to leave) to recruiters. These are the extents to which a crappy company will go to plug a talent hole (when those efforts would be better spent fixing the company).

Finally, “job hopping” is a slight to a manager’s ego. Bosses like to dump on their own terms. After a few experiences with the “It’s not you, it’s me” talk, after which the reports often go to better jobs than the boss’s, managers develop a general distaste for these “job hoppers”.

These are the real reasons why there is so much dislike for people who leave jobs. The “job hopper” isn’t stealing from the company. If a company can employ a highly talented technical person for 6 months and not profit from the person’s work, the company is stealing from itself.

All this said, I wouldn’t be a fan of someone who joined companies with the intention of “hopping”, but I think very few people intend to run their careers that way. I have the resume of a “job hopper”, but when I take a job, I have no idea whether I’ll be there for 8 months or 8 years. I’d prefer the 8 years, to be honest. I’m sick of having to change employers every year, but I’m not one to suffer stagnation either.

My observation has been that most “job hoppers” are people who learn rapidly, and become competent at their jobs quickly. In fact, they enter jobs with a pre-existing and often uncommon skill set. Most of the job hoppers I know would be profitable to hire as consultants at twice their salary. Because they’re smart, they learn fast and quickly outgrow the roles that their companies expect them to fill. They’re ready to move beyond the years-long dues-paying period at two months, but often can’t. Because they leave once they hit this political wall, they become extremely competent.

The idea that the “job hopper” is an archetype of Millennial “entitlement” is one I find ridiculous. Actually, we should blame this epidemic of job hopping on efficient education. How so? Fifty years ago, education was much more uniform and, for the smartest people, a lot slower than it is today. Honors courses were rare, and for gifted students to be given extra challenges was uncommon. This was true within as well as between schools. Ivy League mathematics majors would encounter calculus around the third year of college, and the subjects that are now undergraduate staples (real analysis, abstract algebra) were solidly graduate-level. There were a few high-profile exceptions who could start college at age 14 but, for most people, being smart didn’t result in a faster track. You progressed at the same pace as everyone else. This broke down for two reasons. First, smart people get bored on the pokey track, and in a world that’s increasingly full of distractions, that boredom becomes crippling. Second, the frontiers of disciplines like mathematics are now so far out and specialized that society can’t afford to have the smartest people dicking around at quarter-speed until graduate school.

So we now have a world with honors and AP courses, and with the best students taking real college courses by the time they’re in high school. College is even more open. A freshman who is intellectually qualified to take graduate-level courses can do it. That’s not seen as a sign of “entitlement”. It’s encouraged.

This is the opposite of the corporate system, which has failed to keep up with modernity. A high-potential hire who outgrows starter projects and low-yield, dues-paying grunt work after 3 months does not get to skip the typical 1-2 years of it just because she’s not learning anything from it. People who make that move, either explicitly by expressing their boredom, or simply by losing motivation and grinding to a halt, often end up getting fired. You don’t get to skip grades in the corporate world.

Unfortunately, companies can’t easily promote people fast, because there are political problems. Rapid promotion, even of a person whose skill and quick learning merit it, becomes a morale problem. Companies additionally have a stronger need to emphasize “the team” (as in, “team player”, as much as I hate that phrase) than schools. In school, cheating is well-defined and uncommon, so individualism works. At work, where the ethical rules are often undefined, group cohesion is often prioritized over individual morale, as individualism is viewed as dangerous. This makes rapid promotion of high-potential people such a political liability that most companies don’t even want to get involved. Job hoppers are the people who rely on external promotion because they often grow faster than it is politically feasible for a typical corporation to advance them.

For all that is said to the negative about job hoppers, I know few who intentionally wish to “hop”. Most people will stay with a job for 5 years, if they continue to grow at a reasonable pace. The reason they move around so much is that they rarely do. So is it worth it to hire job hoppers, given the flight risk associated with top talent? I would say, without hesitation, “yes”. Their average tenures “of record” are short, but they tend to be the high-power contributors who get a lot done in a short period of time. Also, given that one might become a long-term employee if treated well, delivering both top talent and longevity, I’d say there’s a serious call option here.

“Job hopping” shouldn’t be stigmatized because it’s the corporate system that’s broken. Most corporate denizens spend most of their time on low-yield make-work that isn’t important, but largely exists because of managerial problems or is evaluative in purpose. The smart people who figure out quickly that they’re wasting their time tend to want to move on to something better. Closed-allocation companies make this extremely difficult and as politically rickety as a promotion system, so often they decide to move on. Without the “job hopping” stigma, they’d be able to quit and leave when this happens, but that reputation risk encourages them, instead, to quit and stay. For companies, this is much worse.

 

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26 thoughts on ““Job hopping” is often fast learning and shouldn’t be stigmatized

  1. There are two ways to beat the game. The first is to became a psychopath, the second is to change to rules of the game. The first one leads to executive positions, the latter leads to revolution.

    • Other than luck or giving up doing technical stuff and starting your own venture, I don’t see other ways of changing the rules of the game. What do you have in mind?

  2. Some people would say my employment decisions in the last year makes me look like a job hopper, and I think in every situation I made the right decision for myself. This is just a bit of context.

    I think a valid reason not to bring on someone you percieve is a job hopper is lack of domain knowledge. My first software job had me dealing with all sorts of funny financial instruments and financial reporting issues. Beyond actually having to learn how to write software it was a lot to pick up and in my 3 years there I’d say I picked up about half of what I could have. If I hadn’t stayed at least that long I wouldn’t feel so comfortable with the intricacies of software and finance.

    My second job was working on a pretty complex system. It took me over 6 months just to begin to think I had memory mapped the architecture. I was there for 2 years. If I hadn’t stayed at least that long I wouldn’t be so comfortable with distributed system design.

    Now take my last two jobs and I barely learned anything about the business domains. Software jobs aren’t all software and I wouldn’t be offended if it was held against me. The issue will be forced shortly if the project I am working on needs to fold and I ‘reenter the workforce’.

    • Yes, if the idiots at the company hire you for the wrong position, knowing very well what you are skilled at and what you want to do, it’s terrible. If you are given a chance to learn, that can be ok, but Michael is right, it’s mostly “sink or swim.” That’s a terrible way to run a company. Quite arrogant. (Looking at you 37signals and your king. Thankfully, I never wasted time learning Rails.)

  3. Agreed 100%. It’s sad. One year is all a company can reasonably expect, IF the company treats the employee well.

    “Most of the job hoppers I know would be profitable to hire as consultants at twice their salary.”

    That’s correct. The more I think about it the more, this seems to be the only solution. If you’re going to work on shit, might as well get paid almost double. This relates back to a previous article you wrote about money being offered being a reflection of the quality of the job.

    I would say that is accurate, but my take is this: Most jobs are shitty, so it’s a reflection of how badly the company wants / needs that job done.

    And it’s currently the best measure for finding decent jobs (shitty or not) as the “market value” of Sr. Engineers, at least in the bay area, has not budged in over two years.

    Inflation hasn’t stopped.

  4. One of the best things about being a job hopper is that your job choices are usually very broad. Given this, I believe it’s better to be honest about your resumé, stating bluntly that you left previous positions “early” because the rate of personal growth diminished. Then you can say to your new prospective employer that if they want you to stay for many years – and all things being equal, you’d like to – they need to ensure that the working environment stimulates your personal development.

    If they reject you for this, it’s almost guaranteed that the environment isn’t set up to drive your personal development, and so if you had been employed there you would have left “early” again for the same reasons. And because you’re a job hopper, chances are there’s plenty of other jobs available to you anyway, so by being honest you’ve basically got the secondary benefit of job hopping (rapid discovery of bad places to work) without actually having to work there for a short stint.

    Of course, if there *isn’t* plenty of work for someone like you, and you just need a job *today*, this strategy isn’t optimal.

    • Well put. I’d say this is sound advice for job-hoppers or not. I think Michael’s right, the people that intentionally job-hop are few and far between. Most people are driven away by bullshit politics, flat out lies, and the old bait and switch.

      One might wrongfully assume that every resume is false to some extent, but factually, every interviewer lies, whether consciously or unconsciously. I’ve never been to an interview (and I’ve been to a lot) where this wasn’t the case. At least _one_ if not _all_ of the people you talk to will lie to you, usually to deceive you into taking the job, knowing that just getting you there was a hassle and pure luck for them.

  5. The argument made in favor of the stigma:

    (c) Resumes, interviews, and word of mouth are all often false or fake. Or at the very least bad stuff tends to get covered up. As such employers often look for informal clues of either bad performance or bad personality. Short employment stints serve as a proxy for this. People usually don’t leave a job in a year if its going well. This could be the fault of the employee, the company, a bad egg, random factors, whatever. That’s why people don’t get penalized for one short job on a resume. However, a pattern often indicates someone running from the consequences of their actions (work related or politics related).

    If you take my last boss as an example he got a great recommendation from the consulting firm he awarded a cushy contract to as a quid pro quo. He had a good job title on his resume and had a ceritification from passing exams. Of course his actual performance at previous jobs had been pretty mediocore (my co worker knew the guy for ten years and basically said so). His management of our department was an unmitigated disaster that his entire staff tried to get him fired. He’s hated by people that have been friends with him for years. Nobody who actually knows the guy would get him a job. And while his boss screamed at him till he cried she still won’t provide a negative reference because of legal liability and the skeletons he has on her.

    I honestly thought the guys career was done, but he actually got a promotion to his new job. All of the stuff used for hiring can be faked. Companies are often looking for cues to the real story and job hopping, for better or worse, is one of them.

    I’ve had to deal with the job hopper situation myself. In my case it was a combination of two things:
    1) Career Change (IB to Insurance)
    2) A few of the companies I worked for did lots of layoffs when the recession got going, so I often left before possibly losing my job (at one place they laid off 50% of the workforce, I wasn’t going to roll the dice on that one).
    3) The last situation.

    It’s a tough sell though, and a long explanation. It annoys me because it takes up a lot of the interview that could often be spent talking about work. Luckily it didn’t stop me in my last transfer and its going very well.

    How do you handle explaining your start up job. My own is a messy political situation I’ve had a tough time with. Hopefully I don’t have to interview again anytime soon.

    • The argument against the argument in favor of the stigma: the most dangerous people are the unethical people who are usually politically adept. Psychopaths don’t job hop. They win others’ trust (which takes time) and then screw them when the opportunity emerges.

      The job hopper’s problem is that he’s too honest for Corporate America. When he gets into a cul-de-sac, he leaves– the dangerously honest thing to do. The psychopath starts plotting something nasty. He figures out who the powerful people are and how to get their ears, and figures out a way to steal from the company.

      Job hoppers are people who want new challenges. Psychopaths and narcissists want status and they know the best way to do this is to win the trust of high-status people (and screw them). This takes time.

      Regarding the “very bad stuff”, I agree that there’s no easy way to filter out unethical people, who are often superficially charming. I think the best solution is to avoid having the power structures and executive perks that attract narcissists, in favor of an open-allocation environment focused on actually getting work done. There’s no reliable way to keep them out, so the best strategy is to stop attracting them.

      • In my experience the only companies I’ve worked for that are relatively free of politics and garbage are those that work on the old model. Get a job and work there for 20 years with a stable group of people. In such a case everyone knows the score, everyone trusts eachother, everyone is in it for the long haul. Bad eggs get found out and there is a unified front against them from the long timers who don’t want a good thing messed up.

        I suppose its possible you’ve never encountered this model in tech, but its a little more common in insurance. It is going away though, mostly because of the executive model of cutting costs for short term profit.

        Job hoppers are equally likely to be psychopaths or ambitious people in my experience. My typical view of a psycopath is someone that gets found out within three years and then has to engineer and exit. The general rule of thumb is the younger you are the more you forgive job hopping.

    • “However, a pattern often indicates someone running from the consequences of their actions ” … or someone running from the consequences of an industry that has no idea how to run its businesses, ending up with technical debt that would make accountants jump off roofs if they actually calculated their numbers and making qualified engineers leave in packs because of the horrific quality of work that is done and left to be maintained. That has always been my observance.

  6. FYI – According to the book “Academically Adrift” – “college students who admitted that they copied from other students on tests or exams increased from 26 percent in 1963 to 52 percent in 1993.”

    I never cheated in college either, but I did have a professor tell me that it was pretty rampant. You get out of college what you put into it, and I think that’s ever more true as time goes on, but I think the flip side is that it’s also easier to slide in modern times.

  7. One of the things I think that contributes to a job hopping culture among talented programmers is that interviews are essentially slanted in favor of “candidate proves him or her-self to the company and, oh, if there’s time, do you have any questions for us?” You hire on at a company without spending a day looking through its source code or a week observing the process. As such, not only is there the political wall that you mention for fast acquirers, but there’s also a very real possibility for the job hopper to arrive and realize “yikes — this place is a disaster.” I think there’s got to be some way to improve the hiring process to make this less likely to happen (though it wouldn’t necessarily fix the problem you point out about rapid advances being politically untenable).

    I don’t know if you’re familiar with these but Alex Papadimoulis at the DailyWTF made a very interesting post about this phenomenon called “Up or Out: Solving the IT Turnover Crisis.” He basically suggests that companies should embrace the job hopper culture and view departed employees the same way that colleges view alumni. It’s compelling stuff.

    • This is all true, and there’s also a bait-and-switch hiring that goes on, often subconscious. The role that is sold to the candidate is what he’ll get under ideal circumstances, while the actual role might be several notches below that in quality of work, tools, and credibility.

  8. The tragedy for many is that they may not realize the game is rigged until they have given up the small amount of personal agency they wield, then disparing and petty self interest kicks in, seeing this in much older people is outright disturbing
    Viewed dispassionately the corporate control matrix is plainly ridiculous, if elegantly designed to exploit human weakness.

  9. Very insightful post Michael. I liked your comment: “The job hopper’s problem is that he’s too honest for Corporate America. When he gets into a cul-de-sac, he leaves– the dangerously honest thing to do.”
    I think it’s not just Corporate America, but corporate anywhere, or even, social anywhere. There is a personality that loves growing, learning, and moving forward. That sadly, I have found, is often sidelined by personalities that are much more interested in getting more profit while keeping the status quo: the two types of personality are fundamentally at conflict with each other. Each has their own arsenal of weapons: the first capable of proving himself or herself by showing excellent work, the second capable of making themselves look good by stealing credit, manipulating perceptions, and misdirecting blame. Its often the case that the second gets a good shot, and the first tends to move on, because their forte is to seek out and solve new challenges, not get enmeshed in politics. But then, all I do is paraphrase you from above.

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